GuitarBackingTrack.com

Announcements => Ultimate Guitar has purchased GBT.com => Topic started by: Webmaster on July 03, 2016, 01:23:14 pm

Title: Copyright issues (history)
Post by: Webmaster on July 03, 2016, 01:23:14 pm
Hi fellow guitarists,

you might have discovered that some tracks are missing from the site. This is due to copyright issues and I am working on resolving the situation. This is also the reason for the lack of new tracks recently. Sorry to all that have submitted tracks recently.

This site was started almost 10 years ago as there were no good guitar backing track sites that were easy to use and had a decent amount of tracks. The idea was to provide free guitar backing tracks on a user-friendly site so that you guys could rock out in your bedrooms. With help from a bunch of talented backing track makers the site has grown and over 14000 tracks has been submitted!

A few weeks ago I received a DMCA notice that required me to take som tracks down. I removed the tracks and a few days later I received a new one for another set of tracks. I contacted the sender and am now in dialogue with them about copyright issues. It turns out that all tracks from all artists are in breach of copyright, even if it is just a drum track or a bass line. I have investigated this myself now, and it seems they are right. I was blissfully unaware of this.

So, now I am trying to negotiate a licensing deal. If successful, the site will stay up in its current form. If not, I am not sure what to do. I will keep you posted!

Cheers,
Oddgeir
Title: Re: Copyright issues
Post by: Webmaster on July 05, 2016, 08:13:00 pm
Well, I have investigated the legislation concerning this and they are definitely correct that the tracks are violating copyright, both mechanical and publishing. I have no intention of becoming a criminal or gangster, so it will either be licensed tracks or a significant reduction in tracks. Unfortunately, the copyright laws and licensing schemes are not easy to understand and different laws apply to different countries. So there might be a reduction in tracks to certain geographics or similar, but I cannot say at this point. It seems to involve a large amount of dealmaking, so we'll have to wait and see...

The Deep Web is unfortunately not an option  ::)

/Oddgeir
Title: Re: Copyright issues
Post by: Webmaster on July 18, 2016, 08:32:12 pm
Hi,

I am still working on resolving this. Unfortunately, it seems like a hard task to overcome. It seems to be very hard to be able to pay the licensing fees for the vast amount of streams/downloads this site has with a free, advertising-driven model. But I hope it is possible.

The tracks that were removed are some Black Sabbath, AC/DC and Bon Jovi tracks. I hope to have them back up when this is over.

/Oddgeir
Title: Re: Copyright issues
Post by: Webmaster on July 18, 2016, 08:33:21 pm
Hi guys,

I have implemented a new tracking system and tweaked quite a bit on the onsite player and the backend system. If you experience any issues, please let me know and I will try to fix them.

Regards,
Oddgeir
Title: Re: Copyright issues
Post by: Webmaster on August 31, 2016, 08:00:27 pm
Hey everyone.

As you know, I have been working hard for the past few months to solve the site's licensing and royalty issues.

The licensing process is very complicated. While we are lucky that we don't need licenses from the record labels for the recordings our community makes, the music publishers, the ones who control the copyright for the composition, require a license and royalty payment for creating and using recordings of their songs. It seems nearly impossible for the current form of the site to generate enough revenue to cover the royalties demanded.

Our community has done a great job in creating a massive catalog of backing tracks, and I promise you I am trying really hard to find a way to preserve your work and keep it going for you and all the guitarists out there who enjoy using the site.

I have a couple options in front of me, and I will let you know how things go.

Sincerely,
Oddgeir
Title: Re: Copyright issues
Post by: josephabinion on September 07, 2016, 03:34:35 pm
Thank you for all your hard work for all of us here and making music something to challenge.  You all are the best and love it. Keep Rockin and Never Give Up.  God Bless.

Sincerely,

Joseph A. Binion
Title: Re: Copyright issues
Post by: axismiracle on September 12, 2016, 08:30:47 am
Yes, Thank you for all you hard work.  I am not surprised at all that "the man" has finally felt the need to stick his red tape up all in your groove.  They need "big data" from us all, so this is expected.  That is OK, from this user.... It is completely worth it.  Backing tracks are a genuine tool, when it comes to practice and inspiration, when you don't have the luxury of being in a room with 3-5 other good, human, musicians!!  I wish you patients and success in dealing with the legal  !@#$@$ (mumbo jumbo)

THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Copyright issues
Post by: eduardoritos on September 14, 2016, 08:02:15 am
Hi, guys,

first of all, my big thank you to the webmaster for that idea, and manteining the site after all those years.

I'll had take advantage from the site, and I'd tried doing my part.

I like working for free, because for me is a way to learn things about playing, compositing and producing, and I like sharing with you, unkonown people.

BUT

Yesterday I'd did a search on youtube with some of the tracks I programmed; usually, I'm finding amateur non profit covers, but not in that case, wich is a site of guitar tuition.
I doubt he's doing that for free, so I wrote him asking for, at least, a credit quote on the lesson he'd did with my track.

May we can ask for some money in those cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh__5TKvlCc
Title: Re: Copyright issues (history)
Post by: Yurichъ on September 16, 2016, 09:53:44 am
Hi, folks,

You have a great resource here on site. Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Copyright issues (history)
Post by: andrew625 on September 22, 2016, 11:54:31 am
I knew this was going to happen one day. Good things don't last forever.

Oddgeir, you have no idea how many guitarists you've inspired and helped with this site. I'm one of the thousands if not millions. I inquired you a long time ago before you implemented logins and forums about how you were able to sustain this page without copyright big guns coming down your throat, since UG had gone through the same thing even just tabs. I'm fully aware of the obscurity of copyright laws. This is a large pool of artists' income and establishment bands like the one you've removed will certainly NOT allow this kind of free sources flowing around. Like how Metallica took down all UG's tab for awhile. (d*ck) I genuinely wish you best luck working things out.

Sincerely hoping this site doesn't meet the same fate as KAT.  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Copyright issues (history)
Post by: gemini9 on October 31, 2016, 01:52:16 am
I just now found this site and it's a useful tool.  I'm hoping something can be worked out here.  Any news?
Title: Re: Copyright issues (history)
Post by: Yurichъ on October 31, 2016, 10:25:50 am
Hi andrew625!

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This is a large pool of artists' income

Not really, normally they do not release backing tracks for their material. Steve Vai did that officially, and provoked a huge copyright infrigement issue years ago. Too bad for him imo... and let's hope for the best.

Metallica aside, as they do own all the rights to their songs by now. They bought them off from labels this year and spent lots of money on that. So one should be very careful about anything Metallica from now on  >:(

This is how a serious lawsuit looks like today

https://www.yahoo.com/music/bruno-mars-mark-ronson-face-151835968.html

So be careful making hits - they always watch you  :-\

Cheers!
Title: Copyright issues history
Post by: PassionDut on November 28, 2016, 12:00:31 am
Are there any legal issues when grabbing videos from major tube sites?  Is there a risk of running into copyright issues when using the video grabber?

Thanks for your feedback
Title: Re: Copyright issues history
Post by: Yurichъ on November 28, 2016, 09:51:29 am
Are there any legal issues when grabbing videos from major tube sites?  Is there a risk of running into copyright issues when using the video grabber?

It depends on where you actually reside, you can consult any local internet provider on that matter
Title: Re: Copyright issues (history)
Post by: Yurichъ on November 29, 2016, 11:10:37 am
A good example of borrowing other artist's music is Joe Satriani. Here's Satch Boogie (1987)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt3ImNur5ig

Here's the Aerosmith's song The Hop (1985)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHpTKjNsRF8

Judge for yourself, but you know what it means - "borrowing", not "copypasting" ;)
Title: Copyright issues history
Post by: MichaelGesiz on January 13, 2017, 06:43:28 am
Not just copyright issues -- registered trademark issues too.

Remove it, cover it, hide it or shoot around it.  Thats all you can do.

. (http://www.kruizrock.ru/)
Title: Re: Copyright issues (history)
Post by: kevmo on March 03, 2017, 08:30:37 am
A good example of borrowing other artist's music is Joe Satriani. Here's Satch Boogie (1987)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt3ImNur5ig

Here's the Aerosmith's song The Hop (1985)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHpTKjNsRF8

Judge for yourself, but you know what it means - "borrowing", not "copypasting" ;)

Oh wow, that is amazing - I love Aerosmith, but never really listened to the "reformed version"  of the band,
never heard that song that i can recall, but Satch Boogie always had a familiar sound to it.

hmmm, maybe Aerosmith should sue JS and then take that money and pay Coldplay  ;D

k!
Title: Re: Copyright issues (history)
Post by: Frethand101 on August 06, 2017, 08:56:39 am
It's too bad that this is happening to such a useful and educational site, but at the same time it's not surprising that the rightful owners of the materials would want compensation for their work.. IMO, I've never understood why they haven't already cashed in on such a brilliant concept like BT's from the original recorded versions.. A good quality TAB book with an accompanying CD filled with BT's that match the book!?.. I wouldn't be able to get my money out fast enough!.. lol

Well hopefully everything will work out for this site because many guitarists, and even some forgotten artists, benefit from these wonderful tools..

There is one other option for the future of this site and that would be for learning/mastering the art or making these great BT's.. We already have similar forums that share knowledge on how to record with a DAW, and thank goodness for that, it would have taken me forever to figure Reaper out own my own!.. But just like with Reaper (or any DAW) it'd be great to learn the tips-n-tricks needed to make Pro-BT's for my own personal enjoyment.. I've been playing guitar since '86, multi tracking since '98, and since I found this site in 2014 I've yet to be able to figure out how-in-the-heck the guitar is being removed from the original recording.. I've tried using EQ tweaks but I just can't seem to figure out how the BT Masters do it.. Ugggh!!.. lol   
Title: Copyright issues history
Post by: AlbertThoxy on September 29, 2018, 08:58:07 pm
Ill take your word for it, still, either way it just goes to prove how flawed the current copyright law regime is, yes?
Title: Re: Copyright issues (history)
Post by: Robyroxit on November 21, 2018, 01:54:04 pm
What I'm curious about is who is receiving the bulk of the revenue generated through the payment of these royalties?

In Canada, with digital streaming firmly entrenched in the industry, an artist receives 11 one thousandths of one cent each time someone plays their song.
The PRO takes the bulk of it, and uses it to fund litigation against bars, stores, restaurants, anywhere that plays music for their patrons to listen to.

Moreover, the PRO doesn't require proof of copyright to register a song. All they require is the title. Add to that the fact that if they cannot locate the artist who wrote the song after three years, they've written in their own policies that they get to keep those funds, hence the "legal fund" filled with revenue that rightfully belongs to artists.